Zykotec why don't you brush the same chop untill you stop being crapy and post it when it starts to look like something normal? Because that is how you work, why did i use only one paint donor on the audi? Because i didn't need more than one to ''paint'' the car in red, and calling c/p cheating is just retarded and funny at the same time, just like this thread i hope that the staff will be smart enough not to accept this crap.

one thing people seem to be mixing here is.... copy past isnt wrong, i love a lot of copypast chops, and do it sometimes aswell, and some of my chops are normally a mix of brush and c/p.

what is wrong and what Hui is mentioning i belive, its donor whores, same model donors copypasted on same model original, and one donor only for the whole chop, so people, dont mix things, we all know whats been pointed here and i think its about time to someone mention this,


copypaste (using some donors)and iet achieve a unique look on your chop by actually loosing time working them and making them actually fit and looking how you want, isnt wrong,
using one single donor, past for example an audi on top of a vw golf and the vw looks now more like a retarded mini audi, and on top of that using the same bg, same ground, same wheels, same windws on that same chop, or even worse present a vw golf mk4 chop with this really awesome night bg and awesome night reflections, claiming it was done on a day stock image of a golf mk4 aswell, and then one day youre browsing on the web and find the exact same image photografed by someone that looks exactly like your golf chop, i mean sorry for the caps, but... ITS JUST WRONG. and ive seen loads of this ones, even from "well spoken with awesome skills choppers that populate showrooms like pro or even elite (before global demotion)"

so i couldnt agree more with this thread, and honestly, bring the war, argue and wathever, a lot of people will not like this, but the ones who dont like, are the ones who know theyre not beeing legit with what they show us

Well, both the chops you posted of your work are ok'ish, the Audi Coupe is at least a different car than what you started with. You sound slike Lance Armstrong saying 'I never had time to do all the workout so I used drugs to win Tour'd France instead, everyone who doesn't are idiots '

ps and I hope the staff around here have the guts to drag idiots who cheat behind a shed and shoot them in the back of the head...

I just laughed a lot now!

@Zykotec: Base of 350z is the real base,you can check that. All your works are disgrace to the chopping community,who will ever make bentley in rat style? And yes,that GTO is too real for me,so awesome(I just love sarcasm)...& I don't think your works deserve even Inter level,who the fuck gave you pro?? "Admins,what's going on,please??"
@Matt_K: Did I ever steal something from somebody's chop!?!? WHO THE FUCK GAVE YOU RIGHT TO CALL ME STEALER!?

I just can't believe how this thread turned into something like this,you people are just creating a war! Community worked well before this thread was made.

Now,admins,you have my permission to ban me,you have lot of reasons here as you see (even they are fake). If you don't have actual reason,I'll give you one because I love to swear

Fuck this shit,i started to hate this community,I loved this site since I joined it.Now,it's piece of crap.I'm not saying this just because I'm mad,because shit just got real! All of you admins probably gave permission to post this thread,even if you knew that this will start a fight between members. congratulations to hugo,he explained some stuff,he said it on his way,even if I don't support all his words,he dared to say it properly...And I fucking hate those admins "buddies" here,starting with Brian,Zero,Zykotec,Construct,etc...
And yes,last thing,chopper ranking is ridiculous,typerulez and x-raited are not elite? Come on guys,you can do better...

What the fuck did I just read? You say that Zyko, who is one of the select few with a very unique style on here, is a disgrace to the chopping community? Let me see you come up with some outside the box chops then.

And yeah, I'm answering with .gifs. Deal with it.

posted as base

'chop'

actual base or some random image that just happens to be a bit similar?


Xtra lols for keeping the numberplate...

Lol, I didn't call you a cheater. I was pointing out that you said there are too many rules on here. These should be just common sense and all relate to the main thing of not stealing other peoples work, whether that be chops or a large fraction of a photograph.
But then again looking at your chops, we could argue that they are classed as stealing.

Are kidding? Zykotec should be a huge inspiration to 99% of people on this forum, because he is one of the few that has his own unique style and chops outside of the box.

Good point and well written Ollie

The rule is, if you change a photo xx% the image becomes yours I believe, but yes, it's all a massive double standard when Im stealing someone elses work as well, but just less of it.

Everyone uses donors and I dont mind it, I use images from the internet/ Flickr/ stancenation/ autowp.ru/ hellaflush, but it's when you copy a whole car ontop that's when it's too far, or when I drag a chop into the google search bar and it shows me a photo of the donor instead of the chop, that's what I'm trying to stop.

Is that what chopping is about and have come to? and what does that say about our community when people or the original photographers see these work posted on the internet? I Think of it as a way of deceiving. You make an interesting argument and I actually have to agree on some points. It saves time and effort and everyone has a different style. Infact I really like the chop you posted http://www.autemo.com/dc/users/1/U6MSH/164/chops/.._by_onyx_1_2.jpg looks great and is rather well executed.

I personally aim for realism and practicality on my chops as well, but you shot yourself in the foot in your post. You are trying to tell me how chopping in general is meant to be creative and modifying a car with your style and flare. But the first chop you posted, all I saw was an Vw with a Audi kit cut to fit the vw which I think is a no go/ grey area, but I'm still ok with it because the chop retains the shape of the base image/ car

I mean honestly, I dont mind c/p chop to an extent, I myself copy wheels, backgrounds, it is all part of chopping, but atleast I try to modify the background or wheels to the point where the donors are unrecognizable. And I've tried c/p paint and it was not for me, there was no sense of accomplishment even if the chop looks real, But thats just my style, and c/p people have their own style which I can respect.

What we need to do now is draw the line and come to a conclusion as a community when it is too far, when is it become stealing someones photo. Look at Hugo's chops for instance, he was a c/p-er for years, yet to this day his work are still top notch and unique. I know what donor he used, but he has Incorporated his own style into his work, making it his that no one else can achieve.
With Zykotec, he might not have the best chops/ execution on the forum, but he has unique ideas, and that's refreshing to see

What people doing these days are, Opening the base image> paste on top of a good background> warp the car to fit the donor (Like the post above me). Everyone wants to take the easy way out and not even trying to develop their own style or do the hard work, that's what shits me to no end, creativity is dying and talent seems to be a thing in the past.
Oh and I'm sorry, I didn't know voicing an opinion and taking a stand on a public forum is spam, especially an opinion that was made to try and shape the future of the chopping scene. But by the sound of your tone, it seems you are not even willing to accept the facts that is right in front of you.

The reason I don't have new chops is because I'm busy with work/ life 7 days a week, taking photos to use as donors in my spare time and much rather make a chop over time that I can be proud of to call my own..

I'm willing to accept the fact that some people wont be happy about this and get upset, but if it means we keep the older artist that I still respect and are the pioneers of the chopping scene inside Autemo, keeping new artists that are creative and keep Autemo looking professional, then I'm all for it. (Quality> Quantity)

Your move. The idea of this thread is to find the solution and that is why I like to hear everyone's opinion.
No it wasn't, the whole community has been going downhill for the last few years, that's why I have to speak up.
I don't ban anyone for voicing an opinion, that would be childish. I much prefer having a fair fight.
Swear all you want in this thread, show me how mature you are.

( I do recall blocking you on MSN because you asked me for help with chops, but you were then caught stealing and was banned from autemo..)

Quit being a drama queen Srcky, geez. If you're gonna keep up running amok down your current path, please, just leave this thread - you are doing no good, nor are you contributing to the actual discussion. Why such a martyr - willing to sacrifice your membership based on false accusations, chill mang, we don't want to ban you, but we'll have to if your breasts are not calmed.

As Hugo said, this isn't about copy-pasting in general - it's about those people that don't even care to do some modifications to their 101% copy-paste chops. Those people that don't make an effort, and those people that are trying just to knock an easy good looking chop out. We don't want that. This is solely to raise the bar, which has been free-falling for some time now.

If you have nothing to hide, supply your threads with the donors you used and proper accreditation to the original creators. Understand, that if you don't post the donor that you copied almost everything from, it will be looked suspiciously upon - is that not obvious?

I haven't looked into your chops Onyx, but you don't seem like type of perp that this would be about.

We don't want to ban copy-pasting, I don't know who made that up - but we want to ensure that donors aren't abused, and that the viewers aren't deceived. Please keep on copy-pasting if you wish to, I for one will do so to, as I myself am very bad at brushing. But please use common sense as well, really, it isn't hard to figure out what the do's and dont's are

And this is a taste of things to come if we do try to tackle this problem in this "name and shame" way... A whole lot of people unhappy, leaving the forum, arguing, and making Autemo a hostile environment opposed to a friendly community.

To be honest, I don't give a damn whether a chop is C&P'ed or not. As long as that artist has been honest about the work done and posted all the relevant donors they shouldn't be chastised for doing so (this is in the rules). With that said, there's nothing better than seeing a truly original piece of art and these are the pieces we should be giving greater credit to.

The problem as I see it, is when people do these straight up copy/paste paint jobs and make no effort to show or post the donors, or are difficult when someone asks to see them. If you've posted a chop to the public you should be proud of it... and if you are truly proud of the work you've done, you should have no problem in revealing the donors you have used.

So in the end it all comes back to honesty - post the donors and get the credit you deserve for the chop - don't mislead the community.

No solution to this problem will be without controversy - but I do think that the name and shame way might not be the road to go with this. It seems to be creating a lot of friction and hostility from this thread alone...

A possible option I propose is the current system employed in the ASC and BPC competitions, as well as the last WTB - compulsory WIP and donor showing.

Although a little unpopular with some, I believe it has made people more honest with their works and allowed those viewing chops to see the real amount of work into a chop.

In time, I believe it could achieve the desired outcome of making C&P chops less favourable to more uniquely composed works - as the latter will be rated higher when people can see the WIPs and amount of work put into them compared to C&P chops.

Of course, this solution is reliant on the community's response to straight C&P works compared to more original pieces... we need to ensure that people value these original pieces. For us staff, this means giving more reward for these original pieces - so perhaps we should utilise the 'chop reel' for this purpose, and avoid featuring any of the straight C&P chops there.

Ultimately there's no quick fix solution. It will take time and cooperation from the community - particularly the choppers themselves - to ensure we encourage originality.